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  1. Paul Francis
    May 30, 2017 @ 11:40

    About a year or so ago I went through a similar exercise and I compared DXO, LR, Capture One and Olympus Viewer. At the time I has been using LR since V1 and for Nikon and Canon files I thought it was pretty good.
    Olympus Viewer is great at processing raw files, but lack of documentation, support and features meant that I would need to export to TIF and continue processing in another package.
    LR default processing to my eye resulted in muddy colours, loss of detail and noise, all these require manipulation of each image (yes I know presets can do some of the work but image by image editing is still required)
    DXO and Capture One were very close in default processing to Olympus Viewer, but Capture One features made it an easy choice.

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    • Jason Protheroe
      May 31, 2017 @ 19:00

      It’s nice to know that I’m not the only one that has gone through the process. I’ve had very much the same experience, I used to use Sony and actually still do in some areas. I had no concerns at all with the Sony files. It’s only the ORF files that appear dull, a loss of sharpness and detail.

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  2. Nizmo
    May 30, 2017 @ 13:57

    The main advantages of CO are layers, highlights/shadows recovery and color correction.
    In relation to colors most of the time they are good but rendering is different from Olympus native jpegs.
    LR lately came very close to OV in terms of colors in Camera Neutral profile but lacks of sharpness and noisy.
    Also I don’t understand “native RAW conversion for Olympus images in Lightroom” The only native conversion for Olympus can be OOC Jpegs or OV.

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    • Jason Protheroe
      May 31, 2017 @ 18:54

      Hello Nizmo, my terminology may by slightly off! What I meant with native conversion, is that way that the files are automatically processed by either Lightroom or Capture One during the import. Your point about the sharpness and noise, is the exact reason why I started to look around for another solution.

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  3. amywaco30disqus
    May 30, 2017 @ 14:41

    I don’t see the Camera Neutral option in LR. How does one find this? Do I need to create or download this somewhere? The only options I see are for Adobe Standard, ACR 4.2 and ACR 4.4.

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    • Jason Protheroe
      May 31, 2017 @ 18:32

      Unfortunately you won’t be able to find it. As far as I understand it, and please don’t quote me because I’m putting this together from bits and pieces. The Olympus E-510 uses an older ACR (Adobe Camera Raw) process engine, this is why you only see ACR 4.2 and ACR 4.4. It was only with the introduction of ACR 5 that the profile names like ‘Camera Neutral’ were given to cameras (and possibly ACR 6.x for Olympus). I think that we are now up to ACR 10.x

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  4. Peter Gallagher
    May 31, 2017 @ 00:30

    Jason, I think you may find that it’s possible to get very similar results in colors, saturation, noise and sharpness from both LR and CaptureOne.
    This is a topic that software experts have debated in depth. May I recommend Martin Evening’s detailed but fair comparison:
    here in PDF: http://4bcokm12bvu948gi7312gnab.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/Lightroom%20vs%20Capture%20One%20Pro.pdf

    Of course you have to make comparisons for yourself. I think it’s worthwhile starting to develop an OLY file by zeroing out the ‘hidden’ Adobe Raw development settings (applied in the background after de-mosaicing). I’m not sure how to do that in CO but you can find a guide for LR here (scroll to near the bottom of the article, past the algebra): https://www.rawdigger.com/howtouse/deriving-hidden-ble-compensation. The Adobe raw conversion applies a ‘baseline’ exposure boost of 0.64 to my Olympus PEN-F files (plus 1-ƒstop of additional boost; +33 contrast and -25 blacks; plus a custom tone curve).

    If you then conservatively apply exposure, contrast, clarity etc, add some sharpness, use the default luminance and color-noise reduction settings and a modest s-shape tone curve, I think you’ll find that the noise, local contrast and saturation in LR and the default CO settings are very similar. They are for me over a wide range of ISO settings from base (200) to 6400. I also find it very helpful to create a camera color profile and include it in LR. This seems to help with color contrast at different exposure levels.

    By the way: you can certainly include any develop settings such as Luminance and Color noise correction (as well as the camera calibration settings) in the Lightroom defaults for any camera using the menu item (Set Default settings…) in the Develop menu.

    Best, P

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    • Jason Protheroe
      May 31, 2017 @ 18:48

      Peter, thank-you very much for taking the time to write. I had searched for something like this before testing it myself, but hadn’t been able to find anything. Strange as I’m usually quite thorough with searching. I would much prefer to remain with Lightroom for processing. Unfortunately I don’t have it right now to go through it, but I wanted to write and thank you for the information.

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  5. Julia
    July 18, 2017 @ 08:55

    Hmm, very interesting. I was having a bit of difficulty, too, to get excited about some of my images when processing them in LR. I have been using LR since its inception, so of course I am hesitant to switch to something else, but your examples really make me reconsider. Thanks for sharing, I’ll download Capture One and give it a go to see how much of a difference it makes for my images.

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  6. Luca Viola
    September 22, 2017 @ 22:00

    I tink that too many people misundertand the Adobe philosophy. LR with his native profile give us a flat profile for a reason not because they are not able to give us a wow picture. The Adobe philosophy is tat if we have a flat image we vcan create on it better than with a semi finished image. Is like paint on a white papar instead than use a paper with drowings and marks. Other software give us a paper with drowings and mark, yes is a gootbstarting point and usually the finished image, but it is just what they thik is correct, not what is in our goal…

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  7. Henk Goossens
    October 23, 2017 @ 17:08

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/60a63c5c153744675c2fffa8e3a66592b1b614678b3d03f8b8c8c8ee495de4c6.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2c824dadf59898ade046dd21f990da2fc61d8538b779756d32477d6a847ccdd5.jpg

    At the moment I am testing also Capture One v10.
    And indeed I did also some RAW comparison in LR6 and Capture One, my outcome is that the sharpness, colors, and noise or far much better then LR6. But on the other hand the tools you have to use to.
    Same color-temperature 4000K

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